In Defense of Joel Schumacher’s Batman Movies

No one can mistake Joel Schumacher’s two Batman films for masterpieces. Nor can they call me a Schumacher fan, especially after I lambasted his atrocious St. Elmo’s Fire, which he took sole credit for both writing and directing. But I have to admit I have soft spot in my heart for Batman Forever and Batman & Robin.

In truth, Batman Forever came the closest of the four original films in the series to accomplishing what Christopher Nolan did in his Dark Knight Trilogy. And Batman & Robin might be one of the worst movies of all time, but it inadvertently led to a lot of positive results.

So here’s my defense of Joel Schumacher’s Batman movies.

Batman Forever

Let’s start with Batman Forever. The original Batman remained the highest-grossing film in the series for the better part of two decades.But after the somewhat disappointing sequel Batman Returns, Tim Burton turned down the chance to direct a third Batman film and Michael Keaton pursued other film roles outside the cape and cowl. This left a huge void to fill for the third film in the series.

Val Kilmer plays a conflicted Dark Knight who has to face his inner demons to find happiness.You can’t say they scrimped on talent. Val Kilmer was coming off an amazing performance as Doc Holliday in 1993’s Tombstone. Tommy Lee Jones won an Academy Award for his gripping supporting role in 1993’s The Fugitive. Jim Carrey had just had three huge hits in 1994. Chris O’Donnell had starred in back-to-back hits Scent of a Woman and The Three Musketeers. Akiva Goldsman had successfully adapted John Grisham’s The Client in 1994 for director Schumacher, and he would go on to win an Academy Award for writing A Beautiful Mind. And Schumacher had directed a variety of films, including the underrated 1993 classic Falling Down.

This collection of new faces in front of and behind the camera took the Batman series in a new direction that proved a solid success.

Answering Tough Questions

One thing Batman Forever really did right was to finally answer questions that the earlier films had failed to address.

What Made Bruce Wayne Become Batman?

Tim Burton’s two Batman films never explored what went through Bruce Wayne’s mind when he initially decided to become the Batman. It showed Wayne witnessing his parents’ deaths, but there’s a huge gap between a victimized child and a masked vigilante.

Batman Forever bridges that gap. It explores Wayne’s psyche in a surprisingly deep way, drudging up memories he had long suppressed. I love the flashbacks of him at his parents’ funeral when the horror of what has happened finally sinks in. And then when he falls down into a cave and sees the figure of a bat flying toward him, you get a better sense of all his sadness and anger coalescing into one frightening symbol.

Over the course of the film he faces his doubts, disappointments, and sad memories and emerges stronger from them. By the end of Batman Forever, he’s no longer fighting crime “because nobody else can,” as he said in 1989’s Batman, but because he chooses to.

Why Doesn’t Batman Kill?

In the first two Batman films, the titular character had no problem with killing criminals. He threw people off buildings, blew them up with bombs and missiles, and did other gruesome things to them to strike fear into criminals’ hearts. But something changed in Batman Forever. I suppose the filmmakers were trying to gear the film toward a younger audience to make more money, but they pulled it off by offering a good justification for Batman’s change of heart on killing.

In a pivotal scene, Dick Grayson learns Batman’s secret identity and confides in Wayne that he wants to get revenge on Two-Face for killing his parents by killing him in return. Wayne responds with these powerful words:

Bruce Wayne shares powerful words of wisdom with Dick Grayson about killing.“So, you’re willing to take a life… Then it will happen this way: you make the kill, but your pain doesn’t die with Harvey; it grows. So you run out into the night to find another face, and another, and another, until one terrible morning you wake up and realize that revenge has become your whole life. And you won’t know why.”

This is brilliant. It shows that Wayne’s motivations have grown beyond petty revenge. He killed the Joker for killing his parents, but did that bring his parents back or ease his pain? Of course not. It might have provided a temporary reprieve from the pain, but then he had to deal with regret that he had become no different than a common thug on the street.

Christopher Nolan could hit the reset button and simply redo Batman’s motivations in his reboot series, but this film had to work within the existing framework of what had come before, and it managed to turn Batman from a killer into a crime fighter in an intelligent way.

Bruce Wayne Is a Good Guy

Before Batman Forever we had never gotten a good look into Bruce Wayne’s life. The focus was primarily on Batman while Wayne was generally pushed to the side. But in this film, we got to see Wayne in a number of situations that show how selfless and courageous he is even when he’s not wearing a mask.

When he hears that one of his employees has committed suicide (though he was really murdered) he offers full benefits to the man’s family, even though his company’s life insurance policy doesn’t cover suicide. Later, when Two-Face shows up at the circus and says he’s going to kill everyone in the tent if Batman doesn’t reveal his true identity, Wayne immediately stands up and shouts, “I’m Batman!” But his voice is drowned out by the fearful crowd. And when he fears that a psychologist is under attack behind a locked door he brazenly breaks down her door and tries to help.

All of this and more shows that Wayne is more interested in helping other people than in his own welfare or even protecting his secret identity.

Plus, we get to see him do some actual detective work. He uses not just brute force but also his mind to defeat the villains and save the day. The riddles Nigma leaves Wayne over the course of the film are quite clever, and the way they come together in the end to clue Batman in to the Riddler’s true identity is nothing short of brilliant. When Alfred Pennyworth says, “You really are quite bright, despite what people say,” I feel like he’s speaking not just about Wayne but this film as a whole.

Jim Carrey vs. Heath Ledger

Jim Carrey adds a special touch to his Edward Nygma character.Jim Carrey is an extremely talented actor. From 1994 to 2003 he delivered numerous attention-grabbing performances that cemented his place as a comedy legend. Batman Forever caught him right at the beginning of his fruitful career. His portrayal of the Riddler isn’t always given much praise because it’s cartoony and over the top, but I think it works well for the most part.

The Joker is an unpredictable, unforgettable character.Heath Ledger was also a gifted actor, with an ability to play an eclectic group of characters, from ‘90s high-school goth to American revolutionary. But the role he will always be known for is the Joker, which he got at the end of his sadly short career. He managed to make the Clown Prince of Gotham equal parts hilarious and terrifying.

  • Edward Nigma is obsessed with Bruce Wayne while the Joker is obsessed with Batman.
  • Nigma gets away with killing his boss and the Joker gets away with killing a Mob boss without any kind of retaliation.
  • Both Nigma and the Joker want to expose Batman’s secret identity, although the Joker has a change of heart later.
  • Nigma’s goal is to find out everyone’s secrets and get smarter as a result. The Joker’s goal is to reveal people’s secret violent tendencies and debase the world as a result.
  • Nigma manages to outmaneuver Wayne in the business world. The Joker manages to outmaneuver the Mob bosses and take control of Gotham City from under their noses.
  • In the end, Batman doesn’t kill Nigma and he sends him to Arkham Asylum to rot in his own insanity forever. Batman doesn’t kill the Joker, either, preferring to send him to a padded cell forever.

I don’t think Carrey’s performance is necessarily on par with Ledger’s, but I think Carrey deserves a lot of credit for taking a cartoony role and making it work.

Now let’s turn our attention to the other side of the coin, the atrocious Batman & Robin.

Batman & Robin

Joel Schumacher made one pretty good Batman movie and one horrible but fun one.Batman & Robin is a failed comedy, plain and simple. It tried to be a slapstick version of Batman Forever and failed. To be fair, I’m sure all of us have tried to be funny and failed miserably. It’s a humiliating experience, but hopefully we learned from it and tried harder in the future. Of course, most of us don’t have access to $100 million budgets and our mistakes aren’t broadcast to millions of people.

Batman & Robin fell into the same trap as many other film series. It ran out of ideas so it decided to turn to self-parody. This worked brilliantly in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home and Rocky IV but those are definitely the exception more than the rule. Die Another Day was the fourth (and mercifully final) Pierce Brosnan James Bond film. The Next Karate Kid tried to reboot a failing series to no avail.

They had already planned a sequel to Batman & Robin, called Batman Triumphant. But when Batman & Robin became the lowest-grossing film in the series, they did a very brave thing and completely called off that sequel. They could have gone ahead and tried for another Batman Forever-type recovery, but the filmmakers and the studio chose instead to stop digging the hole deeper and simply cut their losses. Good for them.

And Joel Schumacher himself took the extraordinary step of apologizing for his misstep of a film. He didn’t act indignantly and think there was something wrong with people for not liking his work. He was humble enough to admit that he had tried to make an entertaining film, but he was sorry if people didn’t like the end result.


If there were no Batman & Robin, we wouldn’t have the Nostalgia Critic’s epic Bat Credit Card rant, nor would we have Rifftrax’ fantastic commentary on the film, Cinema Sins’ long list of sins the film committed, and many other golden comedic contributions. If we’ve learned anything from Mystery Science Theater 3000 it’s that bad movies are precious gifts because they’re just so much fun to mock and talk about in humorous ways.


Joel Schumacher’s additions to the Batman series are often looked down upon as the black sheep of the family. But I don’t think Batman Forever is a bad movie by any stretch of the imagination. It actually tries to tell an engaging story and it manages to succeed for the most part. It’s not perfect, but I think it’s unfair to lump it into the same category as Batman & Robin. That movie deserves all the criticism it’s received, but it spawned a lot of creative rebuttals from critics that are much more entertaining than the film itself.

To sum it all up, in defense of Schumacher’s two Batman films, they’re a lot of fun and sometimes surprisingly smart.

This is the Deja Reviewer bidding you farewell until we meet again.

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About Robert Lockard, the Deja Reviewer

Robert Lockard has been a lover of writing since he was very young. He studied public relations in college, graduating with a Bachelor’s degree in 2006. His skills and knowledge have helped him to become a sought-after copywriter in the business world. He has written blogs, articles, and Web content on subjects such as real estate, online marketing and inventory management. His talent for making even boring topics interesting to read about has come in handy. But what he really loves to write about is movies. His favorite movies include: Fiddler on the Roof, Superman: The Movie, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Back to the Future, Beauty and the Beast, The Fugitive, The Incredibles, and The Dark Knight. Check out his website: Deja Reviewer. Robert lives in Utah with his wife and four children. He loves running, biking, reading, and watching movies with his family.
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13 Responses to In Defense of Joel Schumacher’s Batman Movies

  1. falcon760 says:

    Star Trek IV is self-parody? Really? In other words, it’s campy? You must be joking.

    I’m not sure why you’d want to defend the lowest point in the Batman franchise. I don’t know why, because these movies are not good. Jim Carrey is not good and comparing him to Heath Ledger is…well I don’t know what it is but Ledger won a posthumous oscar for his role. Carrey did the same tired over the top act he’s always done. Val Kilmer is alright, but he’s not hitting it out of the park. George Clooney has the worst take on Batman ever.


    • Thank you for your comment. Star Trek IV definitely pokes fun at itself in a lot of clever ways. We’re both laughing at and with the Enterprise crew members as they try to figure out 1980s culture

      My point isn’t that these two films are great, but that Batman Forever does have some redeeming qualities that people often overlook and Batman & Robin is hilarious for reasons the filmmakers didn’t intend. A lot of the ideas explored in Batman Forever were fleshed out better by Christopher Nolan’s films, but it’s just interesting that they were explored at all in it when the more-lauded Tim Burton films mostly ignored them.

      Thank you again for letting me know how you feel about this article.


  2. neal2zod says:

    Wow, I’ve hated Batman Forever since it came out, and have given it a few re-watches since, but i just can’t get into it. The action is sub-par, the tone can’t decide if it wants to be serious or campy, the love story is easily the worst of the Batman films, and the two villains are too similar- Jones and Carrey seem to be doing riffs on Jack Nicholson-as-Joker. It’s redundant and exhuasting. I will have to say despite all this, your well-thought article actually makes this sound like a good movie (especially the developing Bruce Wayne stuff) and I may have to give it another try! Plus you have to give credit to a movie that dropped two huge movie songs that are actually good! “Kiss from a Rose” and “Hold Me Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me” are undeniable movie-song classics.

    Re: Batman & Robin. What can I say, i love it. I see why people hate it. It’s not for everyone. I’ve often argued if Schumacher went back in time a la George Lucas and added some “BAM!” and “POW!”‘s to the scenes where people get punched, people would get that this is an overblown, incredibly expensive re-imagining of the Adam West TV show disguised as a summer movie. Less Burton’s Batman and more Brady Bunch Movie, if you will. Even if you can’t see it as an extension of the TV Show, the way the movie is shot and lit (and with the over-the-top acting and sets that obviously look like sets), the real frame of reference is movie musicals. It really seems like Rock of Ages or Repo! The Genetic Opera with the musical numbers cut out, and graded on the same curve you have to grade most musicals, it’s alot of fun.

    Without having to resort to the “it’s SUPPOSED to be bad” defense (even though I have to again stress that Arnold’s awful puns and Uma’s mega-acting are obviously supposed to be bad), there’s also plenty of stuff to legitimately like – The stuff with Alfred is great. Who figured the Batman movie where they explore whether Alfred’s life of servitude was a life wasted, would be this one, and not one of the Nolan’s?? Clooney and Gough have great chemistry and Wayne declaring he loves him and kisses him goodbye is probably the best Alfred/Bruce moment in the entire series. The action is better this time, the scope is bigger (though the killer satellite stuff seems more suited for a James Bond movie than a Batman movie), and I’m pretty sure this is the only Batman movie where he doesn’t kill anyone – for an unbreakable rule, he seems to break it alot, albeit mostly accidentally. (I think this is the only movie where someone doesn’t unmask Batman/figure out his identity either.) There’s a big-hearted, feel-good vibe running throughout this movie that especially seems charming now in the day and age of movies where Transformers hideously decapitate each other in movies meant for kids.

    Oh yeah, the Smashing Pumpkins’ theme song(s) are awesome, as is the R. Kelly song. I think I read somewhere the version of Jewel’s “Foolish Games” you hear on the radio is actually from this soundtrack, not the stripped down version on her own album, which is kind of mind-boggling if that’s true. At least the Schumacher movies brought us good music if nothing else!


  3. Marc says:

    Great analysis of everything Schumacher’s films did right. I wasn’t expecting you to have much of a case but you’re absolutely right about the exploration of Bruce’s motivations and the all star cast.

    What’s interesting to me is the main problems in Batman & Robin (too campy, too many villains, neon thugs, awkward giant statues, slo mo running, close ups on Batman’s butt, terrible puns) all seem to trace their genesis back to Batman Forever. It’s like everything just got amplified in the sequel.


    • Thank you. You are right on that all of Batman & Robin’s problems are easy to spot in Batman Forever. But there were enough good elements in the earlier film that I feel like it deserves some credit.

      I’ve heard people point out that many of Spider-Man 3’s problems stemmed from issues with the first two films in the series. Even though those films were great in their own right, they had some oddities, and the third film focused on all of those problems instead of fixing them.


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  5. Sir Howard of Wolowitz says:

    I really enjoyed reading what you wrote about ‘Batman Forever.’ I saw it the weekend it opened and it has always been one of my favorite Batman movies. Out of the 10 “Bat-man” films, I only watch three of them: Batman (1943 Lewis Wilson serial), Batman Returns, and Batman Forever. I started collecting all the merchandising from Batman Forever in 1995 and am still adding to my collection! Quite a few toys, action figures, and model kits can be found at flea markets at a decent price.
    I have watched the fan-made clips on Youtube where people have put Batman Forever in it’s original order using the deleted scenes from the 2-disc DVD set. I must confess: I’d really love to see a darker/longer director’s cut of Batman Forever! I don’t know if it will ever happen or not. But then again, I always said that Pet Sounds would never be mixed into true stereo, and it has.
    And I always wondered if the Adam West version of Batman would ever make it onto DVD. But I found out today that 20th Century Fox and Warner Brothers have worked out their differences and Batman: The Complete Series will be released as a box set this fall.
    So who knows: maybe one day there will finally be a director’s cut of Batman Forever!


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  9. Joel should get credit for writing Car Wash and writing/directing DC Cab if anything.

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